Comments on: A Challenge to Dr. Gregory Boyd http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2004/a-challenge-to-dr-gregory-boyd/ Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:21:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Chris http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2004/a-challenge-to-dr-gregory-boyd/comment-page-1/#comment-54 Chris Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:27:58 +0000 http://www.siolon.com/lama/?p=43#comment-54 I guess people from Boyd's site made it over here. But the problem with your comment is that you cannot back up your presupposition that God did in fact excercise His sovereignty to grant us Libertarian free will. You are trying to turn the argument around but doing so unsucessfully. Your teaching a <a href="http://www.existence-of-god.com/paradox-of-the-stone.html">paradox of the stone</a>. I guess people from Boyd’s site made it over here.

But the problem with your comment is that you cannot back up your presupposition that God did in fact excercise His sovereignty to grant us Libertarian free will. You are trying to turn the argument around but doing so unsucessfully. Your teaching a paradox of the stone.

]]> By: Tim http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2004/a-challenge-to-dr-gregory-boyd/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Tim Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:28:12 +0000 http://www.siolon.com/lama/?p=43#comment-53 cpoteet: Divine Sovereignty: The right of God to do as He wishes (Psalm 50:1; Isaiah 40:15; 1 Tim. 6:15) with His creation. This implies that there is no external influence upon Him and that He also has the ability to exercise His power and control according to His will. Tom: Fine. On what basis then would you deny God the right to create us with libertarian free will and place us in a world which is partly open IF THAT'S WHAT GOD WANTED? Are you denying him the right to WANT this? The ability to DESIRE this kind of world? If God is absolutely sovereign in the sense you here descreibe, then he should have the freedom to limit the 'exercise' of his power and make SOME things conditioned upon wills other than his own. On what basis you would tell God he is INCAPABLE of doing such a thing? Do you want to limit God's sovereignty? Tom cpoteet: Divine Sovereignty: The right of God to do as He wishes (Psalm 50:1; Isaiah 40:15; 1 Tim. 6:15) with His creation. This implies that there is no external influence upon Him and that He also has the ability to exercise His power and control according to His will.

Tom: Fine. On what basis then would you deny God the right to create us with libertarian free will and place us in a world which is partly open IF THAT’S WHAT GOD WANTED? Are you denying him the right to WANT this? The ability to DESIRE this kind of world? If God is absolutely sovereign in the sense you here descreibe, then he should have the freedom to limit the ‘exercise’ of his power and make SOME things conditioned upon wills other than his own. On what basis you would tell God he is INCAPABLE of doing such a thing? Do you want to limit God’s sovereignty?

Tom

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2004/a-challenge-to-dr-gregory-boyd/comment-page-1/#comment-52 Anonymous Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:56:32 +0000 http://www.siolon.com/lama/?p=43#comment-52 cpoteet: I must not contradict myself in that I believe God is completely sovereign (in that He has planned the ends as well as the means) and trust that He will work in this arena. Tim: Then do that? Do not contradict . . . He has planned the ends of the 'Open View' as well as the means . . . trust that He is at work in this arena . . . completely sovereign . . . or do I wish to contradict myself at this point about God preordaining the OV . . . that is prove otherwise and yet say I am wiser because of it? I stay out of this debate for the most part, because as you say, "desperation"; about what, God being completely sovereign in the arena of ends and means? I hope one day to see the circle I have created around myself? Peace out brother!!! Have some Pudding to go with your efforts Imagination projects unreal images out of the mind and seeks to attach reality to them. Faith creates nothing; it simply reckons upon that which is already there. cpoteet: I must not contradict myself in that I believe God is completely sovereign (in that He has planned the ends as well as the means) and trust that He will work in this arena.

Tim: Then do that? Do not contradict … He has planned the ends of the ‘Open View’ as well as the means … trust that He is at work in this arena … completely sovereign … or do I wish to contradict myself at this point about God preordaining the OV … that is prove otherwise and yet say I am wiser because of it?

I stay out of this debate for the most part, because as you say, “desperation”; about what, God being completely sovereign in the arena of ends and means?

I hope one day to see the circle I have created around myself? Peace out brother!!!

Have some Pudding to go with your efforts

Imagination projects unreal images out of the mind and seeks to attach reality to them. Faith creates nothing; it simply reckons upon that which is already there.

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