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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/eklektos/comment-page-1/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one of me mentors pastors a house church here in Louisville! http://www.ekklesianet.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of me mentors pastors a house church here in Louisville! <a href="http://www.ekklesianet.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ekklesianet.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alecia Niese</title>
		<link>http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/eklektos/comment-page-1/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>Alecia Niese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, by the way, speaking of home churches.  My friends, their parents, a few couples, and myself are into our third week of participating in/creating a home church environment.  Are you interested?  I know I have mentioned it before, but you skipped out last evening on it.  We are still in the works of what we would like to do.  To sum it up, we are taking the &#039;radical&#039; route.  By that I mean we are going/looking back to the original source (aka Bible :) ) of what church, prayer, worship, discipleship, and ministry formats as well as what that incorporates rather than looking at what society claims what church is.  You are more than welcome to be a part of it or simply check it out for ideas.  More about that later...  Grace and peace, Alecia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, by the way, speaking of home churches.  My friends, their parents, a few couples, and myself are into our third week of participating in/creating a home church environment.  Are you interested?  I know I have mentioned it before, but you skipped out last evening on it.  We are still in the works of what we would like to do.  To sum it up, we are taking the ‘radical’ route.  By that I mean we are going/looking back to the original source (aka Bible :) ) of what church, prayer, worship, discipleship, and ministry formats as well as what that incorporates rather than looking at what society claims what church is.  You are more than welcome to be a part of it or simply check it out for ideas.  More about that later…  Grace and peace, Alecia</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katrina:  Read about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apuritansmind.com/PuritanWorship/McMahonRegulativePrinciple.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Regulative Principle&lt;/a&gt; to worship:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God, is instituted by himself; and so limited by his own revealed will, that he may not be worshipped according to the imaginations, and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representations, or any other way, not prescribed in the Holy Scriptures.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nick: I&#039;m not &quot;disillusioned&quot; with the IC (I attend one now); I&#039;m just wanting to learn more about what it means to do church planting.  Plus, the whole goal--AGAIN--is that a house church becomes sustainable on its own and in essence becomes a IC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katrina:  Read about the <a href="http://www.apuritansmind.com/PuritanWorship/McMahonRegulativePrinciple.htm" rel="nofollow">Regulative Principle</a> to worship:</p>
<blockquote><p>“But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God, is instituted by himself; and so limited by his own revealed will, that he may not be worshipped according to the imaginations, and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representations, or any other way, not prescribed in the Holy Scriptures.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Nick: I’m not “disillusioned” with the IC (I attend one now); I’m just wanting to learn more about what it means to do church planting.  Plus, the whole goal–AGAIN–is that a house church becomes sustainable on its own and in essence becomes a IC.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done quite a bit of reading on the &#039;house church&#039; movement and there are many great things in them. However, there are many important traditions that house churches don&#039;t do well, such as preaching, lack of structure. I think in a lot of ways the housechurch movement is in reaction to the over-institutionalized church. Still I&#039;m not giving up yet on the institutionalized church. For some the HC is better, and maybe it is for you Chris, but don&#039;t start one because the church at large (or IC) stinks. I&#039;m all about church-planting, and as you know I want to do it myself, however, there are tons of books written to help you weigh out what is best in proclaiming the gospel of Christ today.  Just some random thoughts for you to think about...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve done quite a bit of reading on the ‘house church’ movement and there are many great things in them. However, there are many important traditions that house churches don’t do well, such as preaching, lack of structure. I think in a lot of ways the housechurch movement is in reaction to the over-institutionalized church. Still I’m not giving up yet on the institutionalized church. For some the HC is better, and maybe it is for you Chris, but don’t start one because the church at large (or IC) stinks. I’m all about church-planting, and as you know I want to do it myself, however, there are tons of books written to help you weigh out what is best in proclaiming the gospel of Christ today.  Just some random thoughts for you to think about…</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does the NT say about worship? I&#039;m not familiar with what you are referring to, can you explain further?</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, finding distinction between &quot;my&quot; and &quot;God&#039;s&quot; idea is pretty much impossible.  I don&#039;t even think there is a way to know if any decision we make is God&#039;s idea outside of His revelation (pessimistic epistemology showing through).  I know &quot;His Idea&quot; is Commission focused while stressing the importance of edifying believers to fulfill that Comission.  Therefore, after much consideration (months), I have decided that I am just going to start the process to build a church.

I don&#039;t really understand how this could not make sense.  In my consideration I have given much thought to the ecclesiastical issues at hand while pondering deeply upon my ability to sheperd a flock.  It is something ultimately that will be successful through trial and error, but with the leading of the Spirit I believe it can be done.

Honestly, I have no idea when I could be in the field.  It could be next June or next decade; I just don&#039;t know.  I do know from mobilization resources that I must familiarize myself with the tools for being a successful ambassador of Christ.  Ultimately, the goal and end of missions is to start a church movement in unreached people groups that is self-sustainable; so, I want to see what that looks like here.  I&#039;ve heard it said that if you&#039;re not evangelizing and discipling people in the U.S. things are not going to &quot;click&quot; when you go overseas.  This is a testing ground and a testing time for all these ideas.

About worship.  Did I say I limited creative forms of worship?  No.  I do believe however that the NT is clear in the mode and manner to which worship should exist inside of the church body.  That is why I make a stance on the &quot;traditional&quot; as opposed to &quot;contemporary&quot; mode of worship.

Again, this is just my thesis.  I don&#039;t know what will come of it; but I at least want to get the ball rolling on these ideas.  So, are you on board?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, finding distinction between “my” and “God’s” idea is pretty much impossible.  I don’t even think there is a way to know if any decision we make is God’s idea outside of His revelation (pessimistic epistemology showing through).  I know “His Idea” is Commission focused while stressing the importance of edifying believers to fulfill that Comission.  Therefore, after much consideration (months), I have decided that I am just going to start the process to build a church.</p>
<p>I don’t really understand how this could not make sense.  In my consideration I have given much thought to the ecclesiastical issues at hand while pondering deeply upon my ability to sheperd a flock.  It is something ultimately that will be successful through trial and error, but with the leading of the Spirit I believe it can be done.</p>
<p>Honestly, I have no idea when I could be in the field.  It could be next June or next decade; I just don’t know.  I do know from mobilization resources that I must familiarize myself with the tools for being a successful ambassador of Christ.  Ultimately, the goal and end of missions is to start a church movement in unreached people groups that is self-sustainable; so, I want to see what that looks like here.  I’ve heard it said that if you’re not evangelizing and discipling people in the U.S. things are not going to “click” when you go overseas.  This is a testing ground and a testing time for all these ideas.</p>
<p>About worship.  Did I say I limited creative forms of worship?  No.  I do believe however that the NT is clear in the mode and manner to which worship should exist inside of the church body.  That is why I make a stance on the “traditional” as opposed to “contemporary” mode of worship.</p>
<p>Again, this is just my thesis.  I don’t know what will come of it; but I at least want to get the ball rolling on these ideas.  So, are you on board?</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is is a &quot;Chris-idea&quot; or a &quot;God-idea&quot;?  And when are you going to the missions field?  If you still have some years ahead, be aware of each step of what God is leading you to do..be aware that it is really easy to do something because it is logical, but that it won&#039;t succeed unless it is something God also wants us to do.  God trains people in phases, step by step, and we need to follow each step and not bound ahead lest we fall on our face because our legs are not strong enough yet.

I would just really pray about it and be sure that it where God is leading you, not something that you are doing because it makes sense to do it.

We started a church plant in Scotland out of necessity( 35 street kids became Christians, and when we tried to plug them in to the local churches we were working with- they didn&#039;t like it because they were totally unchurched and causing fights etc.  And they didn&#039;t know what to do with them...), but even then..it was very hard because we did so many things wrong at first- and it was hard because we definitely did not have enough workers.  Starting a church is not a light thing- and something that takes massive commitment, responsibility, and prayer- not to mention the right people to come alongside of you and help.  

And also, don&#039;t limit more creative forms of worship.  Worship through song is just one aspect of worship...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is is a “Chris-idea” or a “God-idea”?  And when are you going to the missions field?  If you still have some years ahead, be aware of each step of what God is leading you to do..be aware that it is really easy to do something because it is logical, but that it won’t succeed unless it is something God also wants us to do.  God trains people in phases, step by step, and we need to follow each step and not bound ahead lest we fall on our face because our legs are not strong enough yet.</p>
<p>I would just really pray about it and be sure that it where God is leading you, not something that you are doing because it makes sense to do it.</p>
<p>We started a church plant in Scotland out of necessity( 35 street kids became Christians, and when we tried to plug them in to the local churches we were working with– they didn’t like it because they were totally unchurched and causing fights etc.  And they didn’t know what to do with them…), but even then..it was very hard because we did so many things wrong at first– and it was hard because we definitely did not have enough workers.  Starting a church is not a light thing– and something that takes massive commitment, responsibility, and prayer– not to mention the right people to come alongside of you and help.  </p>
<p>And also, don’t limit more creative forms of worship.  Worship through song is just one aspect of worship…</p>
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