Comments on: Evaluating the “Emerging” Epistemology http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/ Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:21:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Perry http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-5767 Perry Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:00:54 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-5767 Ha!!! I got the last word in. Ha!!! I got the last word in.

]]> By: Chris http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-848 Chris Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:47:57 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-848 Ian, I believe you are confused as to how church government is played out in ecclessiology. Have you studied the doctrine of church government? Yes, the presbyterian/catholic hierachies are un-Biblical, but as I stated earlier Paul does give central organization to the church. Why aren't they good for the postmodern church? Sounds to me to be more of a problem with the culture. Again, you want the church to fit into a cultural context; when, in fact, it is completely the opposite. Ian, I believe you are confused as to how church government is played out in ecclessiology. Have you studied the doctrine of church government? Yes, the presbyterian/catholic hierachies are un-Biblical, but as I stated earlier Paul does give central organization to the church.

Why aren’t they good for the postmodern church? Sounds to me to be more of a problem with the culture. Again, you want the church to fit into a cultural context; when, in fact, it is completely the opposite.

]]> By: Ian http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-843 Ian Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:02:58 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-843 "Overseering" in the 1st century was nothing like a pastor today. Formal hierarchies in the church didn't even really start until the 2nd century and didn't start to become as defined and rigid as they are today until the 4th. Paul didn't have today's type of pastor in mind when he wrote that. The early church was very decentralized. You can argue that the type of positions that developed are good, but you can't argue that they're some perfect model set in stone by God. They may be good and helpful for the modern church, but not as much for the postmodern church. “Overseering” in the 1st century was nothing like a pastor today. Formal hierarchies in the church didn’t even really start until the 2nd century and didn’t start to become as defined and rigid as they are today until the 4th. Paul didn’t have today’s type of pastor in mind when he wrote that. The early church was very decentralized. You can argue that the type of positions that developed are good, but you can’t argue that they’re some perfect model set in stone by God. They may be good and helpful for the modern church, but not as much for the postmodern church.

]]> By: Chris http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-836 Chris Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:48:35 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-836 Is that what Paul stressed in his pastoral epistles? That the church be "de-centralized." No, in fact his words of admonishment for a pastor to lead the church such as seen in 1 Timothy (and Titus 1). <blockquote>It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), <strong>1 Timothy 3:1-5</strong></blockquote> I've seen and read that article before. Dude, this whole thing is a flake. Are you buying into this garbage? Are you in the Dayton area? Is that what Paul stressed in his pastoral epistles? That the church be “de-centralized.” No, in fact his words of admonishment for a pastor to lead the church such as seen in 1 Timothy (and Titus 1).

It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?),
1 Timothy 3:1–5

I’ve seen and read that article before. Dude, this whole thing is a flake. Are you buying into this garbage? Are you in the Dayton area?

]]> By: Ian http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-835 Ian Fri, 04 Nov 2005 02:21:58 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-835 A modern approach is still valid for modern people, but not really for postmodern people. One example would be leadership. Modern churches are very hierarchical, with pastors many times acting like CEOs. Postmoderns are typically distrustful of authority and prefer more democratic structures. Someone saying "I have all the answers. Follow me." might be appealing to a modern, but it isn't to a postmodern. Therefore, in churches made up of postmoderns the power tends to be distributed more equitably. I don't have time for any more right now, but <a href="http://www.jesuscreed.org/?p=512" rel="nofollow">here</a> are some more examples of how the approaches differ. I'll check back tomorrow. A modern approach is still valid for modern people, but not really for postmodern people.

One example would be leadership. Modern churches are very hierarchical, with pastors many times acting like CEOs. Postmoderns are typically distrustful of authority and prefer more democratic structures. Someone saying “I have all the answers. Follow me.” might be appealing to a modern, but it isn’t to a postmodern. Therefore, in churches made up of postmoderns the power tends to be distributed more equitably.

I don’t have time for any more right now, but here are some more examples of how the approaches differ. I’ll check back tomorrow.

]]> By: Chris http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-834 Chris Fri, 04 Nov 2005 01:16:09 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-834 I feel like I should write something. Becky and Kat are crazy! Ok, that's all I got. I feel like I should write something. Becky and Kat are crazy! Ok, that’s all I got.

]]> By: Katrina http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-833 Katrina Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:11:24 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-833 Kat is a record-fast typer, especially when I know what I want to say. It's from years of computer stuff and office work/paperwork. :P Kat is a record-fast typer, especially when I know what I want to say. It’s from years of computer stuff and office work/paperwork. :P

]]> By: Becky http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-832 Becky Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:20:48 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-832 Only 15 minutes?! Only 15 minutes?!

]]> By: Katrina http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-829 Katrina Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:37:02 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-829 Hey..it only took me 15 minutes to post that big long response ;) Hey..it only took me 15 minutes to post that big long response ;)

]]> By: Becky http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/2005/evaluating-the-emerging-epistemology/comment-page-1/#comment-828 Becky Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:22:40 +0000 http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/?p=205#comment-828 Are all of Chris's comment boards going to look like this? I mean come on people, don't you have lives? Are all of Chris’s comment boards going to look like this? I mean come on people, don’t you have lives?

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